Here is the transcript of Gloria Steinem's talk on Saturday, February 15th, at Cody's bookstore. Notes: []'s indicate comments from the crowd. [L] indicates laughter. [C] indicates clapping. "G.S." should be read "Gloria Steinem." The transcript differs from the actual talk only in that I omitted "um"s, and other filler words, and very occassionally corrected grammar. I also, of course, may have made some errors. Susan Faludi: Earlier this week I stopped into Walden Books. Sorry, it was just next to my office.[L] I wanted to get another copy of G.S.'s "Outrageous Acts and Everyday Rebellions," because a friend of mine had walked off with my last copy,[L] and I went up to the register, and I said "Do you have Gloria S...", and that's about all I was able to choke out before this woman with a very harried glare and that "how many times do I have to say this?" look on her face said "we're sold out!" And I said, "Well, I'm not, I'm trying to...", and she said "we're sold out of everything by G.S.! Everything!"[L] There was this sort of chorus of wailing voices I heard behind me: Women saying "What? This is the 5th bookstore I've been to!" And suddenly I felt like we were sort of a bunch of groupies who were trying to get into a Prince concert.[L] I thought "Well, no matter what George Bush or anyone else says, feminism has clearly hit the mainstream."[C] I half expected to see scalpers on the street, and in fact there were scalpers, as Diana James, Gloria Steinem's assistant told me, out on Times Square. You know those guys out on the street corner selling fake Rolex watches or briefcases? Well, right under their office window on Times Square there were these guys with their stolen books from the truck. They had "Revolution Within" and Stephen King's "Needful Thing."[L] And Diana James said you could hear them all day saying "I got 'em here, Steinem and King,[L] two for $20![L]" So we have indeed arrived.[L,C] But, G.S.'s "Revolution Within" instantly rose to #1 on the charts not just because feminism is a best selling idea, but because G.S. herself, as a speaker, an activist, and a writer, is the quintesence of all that idea represents.[C] She's the feminist personality we all want to be: humorous, compassionate, smart, generous, inspirational, and down to earth at the same time. And she is the feminist writer whose words have rallied our spirits time and again, turned our lives around, and even given some of us women literally reason to live. In that last respect, I would like to read to you from a letter that recently arrived at G.S.'s office. If any feminist author in the dark of her study, in the throes of writers' block wonders whether she should quit, here is a life-long reason to go on. The letter writer is a 22 year old woman. Her mother, a desperately demoralized battered wife, downed a bottle of Valium one day, she writes to Gloria, and took a steak knife to her wrists. For weeks, she lay in the hospital in a quasi-coma. The daughter writes (and I'm quoting here), "during my mother's hospital stay, I read your essay, 'Ruth's story: because she could not sing it.'" This, for those who don't know, is G.S.'s deeply moving story about her mother and her mother's struggle with mental illness. The woman writes: "I decided to read it to my mother, even though she was sleeping, long and white, in a cold room. I knew she could hear me. I read that essay over and over, until the nurses started repeating phrases." Her mother finally came out of the coma, left her abusive husband, went back to school, majored in political science[L], started going on pro-choice marches[L], and, last but not least, started dating younger men.[L,C] The daughter writes, "Miss Steinem, I know this sounds hopelessly melodramatic, but I know that if it wasn't for you, both my mother and I would not have survived. She often tells me that when she was asleep in the hospital, she was actually thinking about your mother, about Ruth's song, about all the other songs so many other women never get a chance to sing. It is not often," she writes, "that language transforms itself into a true healing device, but it did one morning, with a mother, and a daughter, and a well-worn paperback, by a writer and a woman for whom I have the greatest respect and desire to thank for this communal altar of life."[C] G.S., we can not all thank you so eloquently, but we are all deeply in your debt.[C] G.S: I hadn't heard that letter. Susan has been in cahoots with my office. But that letter helps all of us to know what it is that keeps all of us going, and I want to tell you that especially on this book tour I have been kept going by Susan Faludi's work. I have never seen more difference between what readers and what we all seem to feel, and what the media seems to think we should feel,[L] than I have on this tour. And I wasn't prepared for it. I had been staying home somewhat more over the last several years, to write. I had, due to my own journey, grown some additional nerve endings, which means you feel both the joy and pain much more. And so when I found myself out there with critics and magazine articles, and television reports, I really wasn't prepared for what happened. Because suddenly it was like Orwell-city, you know? What I thought was strength was phrased as weakness. I just want you to know that's wishful thinking on their parts.[L,C] What I thought was synthesis, that is both of the inner and the outer revolution together in a spiral that can't be broken, was phrased as retreat, as going back to thesis, and I want you to know that that's absolutely not true. And what I thought was a fairly revolutionary book, which would get criticism went something like this: "G.S. says all we have to do in order to preserve our birthright of self-esteem is to overthrow 5000 years of patriarchy,[L] racism, monotheism, hierarchy"[L] -- I thought that was what I was saying. But instead they focused on the 20% of the book that was about me, and not even with the political message that I thought my individual parables were supposed to be illustrating. I thought the ultimate proof of this -- you see, I am a case history, Susan, when you write "Daughter of Backlash," I'll be right there with research -- the ultimate proof of this was that in the romance vs. love chapter, the thesis of which is that two semi-people, since both women and men are trained to be semi-people; women to a much greater degree, of course, since we only get a 1/3 of the human qualities, and men get 2/3,[L] so no wonder we're more romance addicted and more likely to project them on other people. But for both women and men romance is that process of projecting the rest of yourself on someone else, and love of course is quite different because it is two people at least trying to be whole who therefore can really see, appreciate and empathize with the reality of each other. But, though the theme of that chapter really has to do with the Brontes, as an illustration, I sort of threw in two little stories of my own because I thought that having started out the book wrongly, not including myself, that I was trying to include something of my own experience in each chapter. So I thought since it's probably important for people to know that even if you're as old as I am,[L] and even if you know better, and even if you never wanted to get married, you can still get tired and feeling bad, and find yourself projecting some qualities that you really need in yourself, so I included a ... about a three page romance story, and then I included a much longer love story about a man who I hope I will know until one or both of our dying breaths. Nobody to this day has asked me about the love story. They have only asked me about the romance story, and this, to me, was proof positive that this was the backlash phenomenon that Susan describes so well, of saying that feminism is bad for you. You know, it means that you have unhappy relationships, it means that, well you know, everything that we know. I assure you that none of those things is the case, but, by the time I got to Detroit, I would have gone totally crazy if it hadn't been for Susan. However, the other thing that kept me sane was rooms like this, because it didn't seem to matter what was going on in this little rarified world up there with all the press. (Incidentally, I have a revolutionary proposal, based on my experience. Susan, maybe we can do something about this.[L] The whole press scene would be changed if people didn't write from clips. I could always tell exactly who it was who had read other people's clips, and who it was who was responding on their own. Maybe we can work on this.) But, the rooms full of people like these, and the energy that we feel here are absolutely universal across this country. In Cleveland (I rest my case)[L] in a book shop called "Wit and Wisdom" in the middle of a shopping center there were, because there was that space in the aisle outside the bookshop, there were like a 1000 people, and the bookstore clerks were overjoyed because it seemed to be larger, far larger, than the crowd drawn by Oliver North,[C] Vanna White[L], and somebody else I forget, combined[L]. And, in a bookshop called "The Open Mind" in Minneapolis, the television people came to photograph the lines that were going around the block. At the bookshop where we were yesterday (what's it called?) Kepler's, there were people wanting to camp out outside for a day in advance, and they came at 5 o-clock for an 8 o-clock thing. Now, what this says to me, and what the fact that Susan's book is on the best seller list, that Naomi Wolf's book, "The Beauty Myth" is on the best seller list, that where every we go there are rooms like this: it's very very clear that the majority consciousness of this nation has changed. We are the majority, and it's a trick of the Bush administration and other folks up there at that level who are still representing the 20 or 30 % of this country who are anti-equality, who are anti-all the issues we care about. You remember, there was once a brilliant cartoon of Ronald Reagan, in a western hat, saying "a gun in every holster, a pregnant woman in every home, make America a man again"?[L] That's exactly why foreign and domestic policy is really the same thing, and that's their side, and you know what our side is. The majority consciousness of this nation is reflected not in the White House, I'm sorry to say, but in the public opinion polls, and in rooms like this. But, it is a trick of the leadership, and of nature of the media to make us feel alone. We sit, and we read the newspaper, and we look at television, and we feel alone. And that is what is so important about coming together in rooms like these, so that we can see, there's somebody from my laundrymat, there's somebody from my English class, there's somebody from my apartment I didn't even think gave a shit,[L] you know, and realize that we are indeed the majority. I'm going to talk for a few minutes, but what you have given me and each other by your generosity of spirit to come here and take a chance on a stranger, and respond to this signal, is at least an hour here of very precious time together. So, I'm not going to go on for too long, because what I hope this will turn into is an organizing meeting. What we have to do is to overcome this old-fashioned structure we've got going here with you looking at me and looking at each other's backs and so on. That's hierarchical, which is based on patriarchy, which doesn't work anywhere.[L] We can just declare this meeting the first meeting of the post-patriarchal age.[L,c] So, I hope that while I go on for a few minutes more, you'll be thinking of organizing announcements you want to make of upcoming troublemaking meetings,[L] things this group should know about, any new fact, new idea, new subversive tactic that you want this group to know. Stand up and say where the bodies are burried locally. If you'd rather not say it, pass me a note. I'll read it. I'll read anything -- I'm leaving.[L] I know, I have a glimpse, I see Laura X, I see, well, there's so much heart and courage and experience that's in this room, that it's very clear to me that my very best function is an excuse to bring you together and discover that you didn't need anybody from the outside. So, Think Organize. And also, I just want to ask you one other thing: before you leave this building you have to promise me to meet at least 4 other people who are here, because we share values, and this is a chance for instant friendship. And who knows, a new job, a new revolutionary cell, a new love affair, who knows what can happen.[L] As I wander around the country I see a lot of smart suffering people, represented very well, I think, by grafitti writers. Have you ever noticed how terrific they are? They're really poets, really populist poets. my favorite graffiti so far is "Sadaam Hussain has a job, do you?"[L] Don't you think that's perfect?[L] I think we ought to make that the motto of the next presidential campaign.[L] Certainly what I also see is that the double role, the superwoman problem, is still the single biggest problem affecting women, at least it affects the largest number of women. And, as Susan Faludi has pointed out, this problem, which of course comes from the enemies of feminism, is attributed to feminism. We are supposed to have invented superwoman. This is not true. I just want to remind everyone, the women's movement did not invent superwoman. We've spent a great deal of time trying to kill her off.[L] The truth of the matter is that what happened was that in the beginning of the women's movement when we wanted to be TV repair people or bookstore owners or whatever we wanted, they said "No, you can't do that," and then when we did it anyway, they said, "o.k., you can do that, providing that you raise 2 or 3 perfect children, cook 3 gourmet meals, dress for success, and, as somebody said, "are multi-orgasmic until dawn."[L] Makes you tired just to think about it.[L] And yet we have fallen for the notion that the women's movement invented superwoman, that we thought having it all meant doing it all, and that's bullshit; we always knew that we couldn't do it all. So I suggest that we need another psychic leap forward. If the simplified version of our leap of 20 years ago was women can do what men can do, now we need another one that is men can do what women can do[L,C]. Until kids are raised as much by men as by women, men will go on being deprived of children, children will go on being deprived of fathers, and we, whether we're boys or girls, will go on feeling that we have to divide up our nature; that only women can be loving and nurturing, that only men can be acheiving in the world outside the home. And that will be the beginning of losing the full range of our true authentic self. That will be the beginning of coming to believe that, if we're boys, some part of ourself that is quote feminine unquote is shameful and wrong and must be concealed, and if we are girls, some part of ourselves that is quote masculine unquote is unavailable to us and is to be punished. And that is one of the very deep roots of a loss of self-esteem. That feeling that your true authentic self is not o.k., that you have to construct a false and an artificial self, in order to earn approval, to earn love, to even be safe in the world. I also notice that there's still a great notion abroad in the land that young women, well, it goes like this, it's just an assumption: young women don't like the word feminist, young women are not feminists, and doesn't that mean that the women's movement is over. Well, you hardly know where to start with this, because there are actually more young women who call themselves feminists and who are active feminists then there ever were before. But the problem, the deeper problem with this assumption is that it supposes that there's only one pattern of activism, which is of course the traditional masculine pattern, that is to be radical and activist when you're young, and to grow steadily more conservative as you get older, except for the men in this room, every one of whom is an exception.[L] In fact, the female pattern has always been the other way around. It was true in the first wave of feminism, in the suffragist wave, and it's true now. We are more conservative than we are likely to be at any other time when we are young, and we get steadily more radical with age. It makes sense, when you think about it, after all an 18 year old young woman has power in the way that women have power in the patriarchy, which means as a potential child-bearer, energetic worker, sex-object. She has more power than she probably will when she's 50, and a young man has less power at 18 than he probably will when he's 50. So our ptterns of activism in general have just been different, and it's very interesting to look at the psychographic and demographic changes with that in mind, because what we're gaining now is the first critical mass of older, uppity, radical, difficult, pushy, aggressive women[L] who have some tradition of independence, who no longer are going to be cast aside when the reproductive role is over, who have nothing to lose, and who are going to be the red hot center of this whole fucking revolution.[L] We may be at the point of maximum frustration, because we're always going around explaining things like I'm just explaining: no, we didn't invent superwoman; no, our pattern of activism is the other way around. But we have to keep understanding this, saying it to each other and gradually pushing it into the media; the important thing is not to let the adversary invade our heads, take away our power, make us feel that we are alone, and make us feel that these acusations and mythologies are true. And in order to do that, we need an enormously strong self-authority. We need the courage to see through our own eyes, and to believe our own experience of reality. And that's why self-esteem as a concept, I think, is so threatening. There's a paragraph you'll find at the beginning of this book in which I quote a Polish theorist of revolutions who says that though books about revolution generally begin with chapters about economic explotiation and about violence, that these things, these painful conditions and opressions can exist and do exist without revolutions. Revolutions really begin when the man on the edge of the crowd looks at the policeman who's controlling the crowd, and the policeman looks at him, and suddenly, in that flick of a second, they both know that that man is no longer accepting the defining gaze of the policeman. And that is when revolutions begin, and that is the beginning of self-esteem. We had this in the beginning of the women's movement, with consciousness raising groups or rap groups, or quilting bees, or whatever we wanted to call them. All of us golden-oldies remember this, right? And what happened was one woman or two women would say this unsayable thing, and six other women would say, "you feel like that? I thought only I felt like that."[L] From this would emerge the political reality. Each others' lives have always been our only true textbooks. But we got away from that over the last 20 years, you know, we understandably got more externalized. This is a very externalized culture, number one, and so we were pressed to achieve in the outside world, to worry about legislation, to make laundry lists of issues, to use all those words that end in "t-i-o-n", to have more and more meetings about which we thought "oh god, I have to go to another meeting", which is a sure sign there's something wrong with the meeting -- it's not nurturing the people who are there, not allowing for the inward half of a revolution. And in addition, as women, we brought with us our socialization as nurturers, as people who were very good at putting our center in somebody else. We put our centers in each other as women, which is certainly a step forward; by helping other women, we were indeed helping ourselves, but we still weren't really learning to balance, learning to understand that our inner reality is not less real than the outside world, and not more real, but as real. There is the golden rule, which was written by and for men, and it's real important, that we need to treat people as we ourselves would like to be treated, but for women the revolution is usually to treat ourselves as well as we treat other people. We really haven't done that, and we have begun to lose strength to lose self authority to lose vision, to lose nurturing, to do the external half of the cycle without the internal half, and therefore to be unable to make a strong invincible spiral into the future. The spiral is the strongest architectural form for the reason it can't be broken, but it has to be both the inner and the outer curve of change. I think that's why there's such a response to the idea of putting the inner and the outer together. I think we have the hunger for it, we have been missing it. And, it doesn't matter where we start it. Perhaps like me you started in the external part, and also used to say like I did, "an examined life is not worth living," or "I'm for anything that's off it's ass." Actually, I still am.[L] Perhaps, like many others you started in the self realization part of the cycle, where you needed to go back and heal childhood wounds that were so deep that they didn't let you act, that you were part of the great populist surge of truth-telling about childhood sexual abuse, about all kinds of problems within our families, bad treatment as children that made us feel we were bad people. Maybe that's where you started. But we each have to complete the cycle. We have to go in the other direction, too. I was thinking about the 12-step groups, for instance. I understand there are 10 million Americans in 12-step groups. And, we can talk about the problems women have with 12-step groups, since the method was meant to tear down ego, and that isn't exactly our problem,[L] but we're sort of modifying it and working with it, and we're trying to explain that a co-dependent is really a well-socialized woman,[L] and a dysfunctional family is really a family in which both parents are non-feminists,[L] stuff like that. But, suppose the 12-step groups had had a political extension, an activist extension into the other half of the circle. Who better could have warned us about Ronald Reagan? I mean, this guy is the king of denial. He was the child of an alchoholic, and he *** learned throughout his childhood to deny, "no there's not an elephant in the living room, everything's fine, everything's fine." And, he took the whole country into denial: "no there's no problem with poverty, the deficit is terrific, everythings great." They could have told us that. There are all kinds of ways in which we'll be much stronger if we bring what we have learned internally into the external world and vice versa. I think, perhaps especially, of the women and the men who have been courageous enough to come forward and to remember and talk about childhood sexual abuse.[C] It's a paradigm of truth telling. And I think for women especially, because so many of us, who knows how many, the figures are 1 in 5, 1 in 3, who knows how many. It is this underground river of poison, this sexual abuse of little girls that has grown these evil flowers we see before us and don't know where they came from. But conversely, having learned to tell the truth, having learned to tell men's secrets, the biggest secret of all, then in public life there would be no suffering. If we took the courage that it takes to tell, that incest survivors have used to delve into the truth, and used that in public life, think what we could do, and think who we could name, and think what asses we could kick.[L,C] And we wouldn't be shy anymore, right?, about telling the secrets of the ruling group. And we could list many many ways in which we will be much stronger when we put these two things together. I just wanted to say, by way of news bulletins, because I also, in wandering around the country, I see things that are not in the media, and drive me crazy that they're not, that while we are all of us here, I know, worried about reproductive freedom, protecting it, I don't have to tell you all we need to do to protect the right to safe and legal abortion state by state, we know that, alright?[C] What I sense is that there is something else growing up out there, which is a new and larger legal umbrella that is, at the same time that we're fighting this rear guard action, beginning to be formed. I don't know what it's going to be called. I think of it as "bodily integrity," because it seems to be an umbrella that will cover reproductive freedom, but also, all the forms of biotechnology that now threaten, or can be the basis for threatening to use bone marrow, to use organ transplants and all these things and to pressure economically to do so. All the problems of poor women whose wombs are being used, through economic pressure, by middle- class childless couples, the problems of involuntary AIDS testing, I mean, you name it. All of it needs the protection of an overall umbrella called "bodily integrity." That is, the power of the government stops at our skins.[C] It will take decades to work toward this, and it is the next step. It includes anti-capital punishment, I mean, yes, can we be incarcerated, yes, I suppose we can, with due process and good cause, we hope, but nobody but nobody can breach this frontier that is called our skins, whether we're women or men, the power of the government has to stop there. And second, I have also been noticing around the country something that this community especially with its, well, when I come here I can always count on meeting at least 3 anarchists.[L] Anarchism just got a bum rap and a bad name. ["Total destruction"] Total destruction. But it really meant a bottom up paradigm of economic development, of production, of government, of many kinds of things. There's something that's happening in the country now, among women especially, at least I'm only seeing it among women that hasn't been reported in the press. And that is, the most interesting empowerment movement. Since women are a 3rd world country wherever we are, low on capital, low on technology, and labor intensive,[L] we seem to be reinventing a third world kind of Ghandian-village-level economy, anarchist with women's values added. You know, you can describe it however you want. It's an economic form. It's not capitalist, and it's not socialist, I don't know what it is. It's anarchist plus feminism. It's fascinating. And there are say, six women pooling their savings to buy a communally-owned florist shop. Or there are the women of Watermark in North Carolina, who were into handicrafts, and everybody said, "oh, you can't make money in handicrafts," but they didn't have anything else to do so they started to make kid's furniture, or quilts, all kinds of things, and the woman who had started it made sure that when women came in they were brought in from the welfare rolls and the battered women shelters, and exactly where jobs are needed the most, and as a result they now employ hundreds of women. These women all get higher salary than the state average. Their products are sold through JCPenney internationally, through catalogs. It works, it actually works. And there are dozens of these, and in fact they have their own publication which comes from here: "Equal Means." Have you heard of "Equal Means?" [I'm assistant editor of "Equal Means"] Great![C] Anybody who wants to demystify the economy should definitely subscribe to "Equal Means." And don't be put off by the word "economy"; this is really a fun publication.[L] But there are dozens, perhaps hundreds of these, that I see especially because the Ms. Foundation for Women has been coordinating their annual institute, where women who have been working in these fields come and learn from each other. But I see as I travel groups like these that I never heard of before. These groups have created hundreds, perhaps thousands of jobs exactly where they are needed most and the Wall Street Journal seems quite disinterested. The Fortune 500 I would like to add hasn't created a new job since 1968.[L] So, as I travel, are kinds of pieces, bright hopeful pieces of a new economic model that might one day become a quilt of an economy that has to do with respect for the environment, that has to do with including all kinds of cultural and emotional, the full range of the internal and the external circle in these groups. These women sing songs as they work, compose songs about their work, say prayers and poetry at the beginning, have dances at night, include the patterns of their kids' lives in their work. It's possible, it really is possible. And it's not possible, I think, from the top down in theory, because all those words with an end -tion do get us divorced from the inner parts of ourselves. But it is possible from the bottom up, by good instinct, by good planning, by care for each other, and by understanding that while Marx may have been right about many things he was wrong about about one, well, he was wrong about several things, we know he was wrong about women, but he was wrong about the fact that the end justifies the means. The end never justifies the means. The means is the end.[C] These women, these groups are really using humane means to procede, and therefore are creating humane jobs that respect culture, respect the environment around them, and respect the needs of those individual women. And so, I just want to give you that as an example of both sides of the revolution. There's no telling what we can do if we really put the inner and the outer, however you want to phrase this, together. It's amazing. Now, I guess I would have, if I were the me of 5 yrs ago or 6 yrs ago, I probably would have ended this part of the meeting and begun the organizing part by simply declaring all of us here to be the members of the International Revolutionary Anarchist- Feminist, Feminist-Anarchist Government in Exile. Well, we are, we are, and I would still say that, but words like government, they click old things in our brains, so we need to have some new paradigms at the same time. So not only are we members of the government in exile, but we are also, um, well perhaps we could call it members of the secret society of the butterfly's wing, because even the most hard-nosed of physicists has finally recognized that the flap of a butterfly's wing here changes the weather thousands of miles away. And that within each of us there is the universe. Literally all of the powers of the universe are in microcosm in each of us, and each of us has a unique version of that, that could never have happened before, and could never happen again, and the question is how to set that free. I think the closest paradigm I've come across, the greatest inspiration, really, is that lesbians and gay men have given us this phrase called "coming out" and invested it with such enormous courage and honesty -- and our sexuality is such a true part of ourselves, such a path into the authentic self. Whatever society can't command, can't make you do, is probably a path into the true self. It can't command sexual pleasure, it can't command laughter, it can't command intense interest, and so all of those things are paths into the true self. So, I think what we all need to do is to work on "coming out" as our true self, whoever it is that we are, and understanding, as I have really come to believe over the last two years especially, that if our dreams weren't already really within us, we couldn't even dream them.[C]